英文三坐標論壇的一點翻譯

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最近慢慢翻譯英文三坐標論壇的帖子,看看外國人特別是北美人如何看待不同的三坐標以及他們的水平,需求

8 Q0 ~, o1 `6 s# }4 u; @剛開始翻譯,手有點生,主要是意譯.如果寫的不明白還請眾兄弟們見諒
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Life Expectancy of a new PH10M and a refurbished one
新的和修復后的 PH10 M 的平均壽命?
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! {0 X. L( u% v- c7 F2 a9 WWhat is it? I replaced my PH10M with a RBE 3 years ago. Now I need to replace it again. What gives?
; W* X, q: D( O3 X5 y  b什么？ 我 3 年前從 RBE 更換我的 PH10 M 。 現在我需要再次更換它。 什么原因？
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couple factors influence the life expectancy of a PH9/10 probe head.
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Crashes, probe indexing frequency and the power being supplied to the controller. I have seen some PH9's last a good 10 years+ and others go 3 years because they get abused. Are you sure it's the probe head that is buggered and not the internal head cable in your machine?

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1 W  t* x2 E* M2 Y4 p0 {8 Y" U/ H一些因素影響 PH9/ph10 測頭的平均壽命。
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撞擊，使用頻率和測量時力度。 我曾經見到一些 PH9 正常工作10 多年,而另外一些不足3年因為他們沒有被正確使用你確定它是測頭故障而不是機器內部的電纜？
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' K/ t6 t( p4 eYes, it's the head. I took the head off the column, checked all my connections. What was happening, at 90,0, while measuring as point in the -Y direction, the head would unseat. At first I thought it was the TP200 or module. I put in another TP200 and module, and it unseated again at 90,0. This machine has been running roughly 18 hours a day measuring the same part. It has not seen a crash ever (to the best of my knowledge).
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4 G) p  F2 a; h  Y$ JJust got an RBE this morning. It now works as it should.
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7 D. n' a2 T% {! O# t$ s! v+ P- u是的，是測頭。 我從立柱上拆掉了測頭，檢查我所有的連接。 故障狀態是:在 90,0角度時, 在－Y方向測量點的時候，測頭不能抬起。 起先，我認為故障的是TP200 或模塊。我換上另外的TP200 和模塊，在 90,0角度時,它同樣不能就位. 這部機器一天大概18小時測量相同的零件。 它還不有發生一次的猛烈撞擊。（據我說知）

僅僅是今天早晨換了一個測頭從RBE.它現在正常工作。
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6 S; h! ~9 ?8 s1 N8 V% j7 D2 @[ 本帖最后由 吟嘯徐行 于 2009-3-9 20:19 編輯 ]

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從測頭這塊開始翻譯,爭取每天翻譯一點........

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I'm looking into the Renishaw SP25. I understand this has good qualities when it comes to scanning. I do a fair amount of scanning. However, I'm not sure about the calibration cycle, and time. I'm referring to the time required to qualify a styli change, and new A-B angles.
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# V2 q6 K0 s6 h0 CI'd like hear from anyone already using the SP25, on any system.
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我正在考察 Renishaw SP25 。 我知道當掃描的時候它有很好的特征。 我要做一定量的掃描。 然而，我不能確認校準周期和時間。 我指的校準周期是探針值變化和使用新的AB角度。

) c9 `! V$ Q; D, }  o我想要聽些已經使用 SP25的人意見, 不管任何系統上
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You might refer to this. It is pretty time consuming. Maybe 10-20 times longer that a traditional trigger probe?? Just a guess on that.
http://pcdmisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19575&postcount=1
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( b# @! R7 @& B. ^( |7 Q你可能會涉及這。時間是相當長。可能一個傳統的接觸測頭的10-20倍長？只是在那上的一個猜測。
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5 J* o4 w) m6 F) J$ x: n5 XYes the calibration of the SP25M is time consuming, about 4 mins per probe due to the fact it repeats the routine twice to determine the scanning probe factors. I am very impressed with the probes accuracy on my Mitutoyo Crysta.

是的 SP25 M 的校準是非常耗費時間的，大約 4 分鐘每一探頭角度,事實上它重復常規的兩次來確定掃描探針.在Mitutoyo Crysta 上其精度給我留下深刻的印象。

# F% C* u4 h6 {9 {+ Z- R& II am using SP25M with Mcosmos, the accuracy is very good but the time difference is as previously suggested - 15/20 seconds per probe position touch trigger, 4:30 - 5 mins per position scanning factors.
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However,I do not find the calibration time a problem as I use the scheduler in the software to run the program lights out during sunday.

The cmm should be verified in accordance with the following spec'n :-

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% V! H/ f9 U7 Z; @Acceptance and reverification tests for coordinate measuring machines Part 4: CMMs used in scanning measuring mode"

我正在使用SP25M和Mcosmos(三豐軟件) ，精度非常好，但是時間不同意上面兩位:15/20倍常規接觸測頭,4-5分一個測頭角度 。掃描時間是可以改變的，但是使用設定取決于精度

; P' |+ G& c+ E( L2 j: O, O然而，我并沒發現校準時間是一個問題,我使用軟件中的程序直到周末關燈為止。
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With the latest release of the Renishaw scanning calibration DLL, Renishaw have reduced the scanning probe calibration times by 35% Using a calibration speed of 20mm/sec, it is now possible to calibrate and qualify a tip in 2 minutes.
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! c3 Q2 m# _5 wRenishaw掃描校準最新的新聞鏈接， Renishaw在使用校準速度在20mm／sec的前提下,已經減少校準時間35%,比較可能的是校準同時通過一個角度需要2分鐘
9 ^" l1 m8 q1 F( A) `SP25 的附加桿最大為400 毫米和更多的能力收集零件外形。
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決定性的
5 W3 q6 ^! y, {  \; Q% l( HIf you are worried about the time it takes to calibrate the probes the easiest thing to do is generate a probe cal routine in MCOSMOS and run on the weekend. It's easy!
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1 e( V0 @2 }5 C. Y' j如果你擔憂校準測頭的時間,最簡單的就是在周末在MCOSMOS中調用測頭并運行.非常容易！

國際化

兄弟辛苦了，和你不一樣，我喜歡去http://www.practicalmachinist.co ... 6413&i=66568274

明天更好

前輩，辛苦了~

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does probe ball dia affects the measurent?because i have a probe with 2 mm dia and its giving 3 microns error but as i use the 6 mm ball dia probe , the error goes to 10 microns (its stem length is also bigger than the previous probe).
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標準球直徑是否影響測量？因為我用2毫米直徑產生了3微米誤差.但是當我使用6毫米球形直徑探針，誤差達到了10個微米。（探針長度比先前大)
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, J+ h/ c9 P* FSome things to consider here.
Every probe ball ( stylus ) has some slight deviation from the nominal size.
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Renishaw TP2 , TP 20 , TP200 etc ).
As long as you are calibrating them against a CALIBRATED masterball ,
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into your measuring software, you should not have to worry about a difference
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I'd be surprised if you have the masterball calibrated. If you do, I stand corrected.
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在這里需要考慮部分因素
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. F" X: |+ x& [6 o6 f探針將觸發信號送到控制器之前，也有一些預行程。 行程的多少取決于你使用的測頭.（Renishaw TP2,TP20,TP200 及其他）
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輸入標準球的值（從證書）
打開你的測量軟件，你沒必要擔憂探針偏差7個微米。
記得嘗試用標準度塊校正整個的機器，
如果你校正標準球,我將會感到驚訝。 如果你做了，我認錯。
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& F# @4 O" V. GYou need to get the basics of your machine correct 1st before questioning
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詢問之前你需要第一時間得到你的機器的偏差
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, w( y8 }, a# e+ p' gYes! the diameter of the tip ball gives an error which is known as "cosine error" see attached file.
& e. _# `2 f, }0 b2 p6 l8 eI don't know what you are measuring but if you check a gauge block with tip dia. 2/6 it should NOT give you that difference in error!
Click here for Tip_points.pdf

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& [% s* `2 a/ ^我不知道你是怎么測量的，但是如果你用探針檢查一個量塊.但它不能給你偏差的不同！
點擊這 Tip_points.pdf

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, y6 b0 L0 @+ d- N4 Y  R0 L3 yIf you're look at roundness of a known round item, say a ring gage, then the size of the tip doesn't matter except that larger diameters tend to not be as round as smaller diameters but this is generally a relatively small difference.
( |6 g6 F+ s9 W1 E/ ^3 q/ oThe biggest thing that affects accuracy/repeatability/tri-lobing is the length of the stylus. It's much more complicated but generally speaking, if a 1" long stylus results in .0003 of tri-lobing, a 2" long stylus will be around .0006. The same basic concept applies to articulating probe heads. The longer the distance from the fulcrum to the prope tip, the more variance you will have when indexing the probe head. There are many other factors involved but the probe
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如果你嘗試在其中特定z值平面內用一個2維測頭測量一個3D立體圓錐體.那么探針直徑將會影響精度。
如果你是檢查已知項目的圓，例如環規，那么與探針的大小是沒有關系的.除了一點小的不同,結果中較大的直徑不容易像較小的直徑一樣的圓。
對精度/重復度/偏差影響的最大的是探針的長度.這是更多復雜的,但一般來說，如果這 1" 長的探針誤差為.0003偏差, 2" 長的探針將會是.0006 左右. 相同道理適用于關節臂測頭。 從支點到探針頂端的距離越長，你標定的測頭偏差越多。還牽涉許多其他的因素，但是探針長度是顯然最大的因素。 如果其他因素可控的話

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未完待續

回國際化:發展方向不同嘛,你所看論壇人氣明顯還是比較旺的

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學英文 又能長知識 不錯

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9 Y7 `8 z7 t* A3 M回國際化:發展方向不同嘛,你所看論壇人氣明顯還是比較旺的
吟嘯徐行 發表于 2009-3-11 23:22

上次，他們請我寫一份意見建議，我把這個網址(中國機械社區0提交給他們，讓美國人看看我們的論壇是多么的強大